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Hi Everyone.
In answer to questions from Marylou (fictitious name), here is some great information from my friend Char in California as well as me, regarding salicylates in products.
Remember, from the day you start Guai, if you are salicylate free you are OK. If you do happen to block and get plant extracts on your skin, you will only block for 24 hours.
Bye for now,
Megan
Senior Mentor Guai & "Positive Living N.Z.'
Nothing has helped me. I have read about guaifenesin and fibromyalgia and am willing to try guaifenesin. Do I have to follow a salicylic free diet in order for the guai to work? It is all rather scary and overwhelming!! What else can you tell me?? - Marylou
Answer
You do not have to follow a Salicylate free diet for Guai to work. You only have to avoid getting Salicylates (plant extracts) on your skin. You must be careful with skin products, shampoos, makeup, toothpaste etc. You can't take natural supplements that are very concentrated, but you can eat most foods as they go through your digestive system. You can't chew mint or suck lemons as they could get into your blood stream.
Have you read Dr. St. Amand's Book "What Your Dr. May Not Tell You About Fibromyalgia"? It is excellent and everyone should read it before starting Guai. He has a chapter on Salicylates and how they interfere with Guai. You must understand this.
Also he has devised a special diet for people who have the complication of Fibromyalgia and Hypoglycemia. His diet controls Hypoglycemia and gets rid of these symptoms. To order his book and read all the papers he has written about Guaifenesin, go to his website at Fibromyalgia Treatment Center You can help this condition by taking Guai, but you must follow the protocol properly for it to work. - Megan
What am I looking for in products that are no-nos? Is it plants, fruits, and salicylic acids?? and what else? I have printed the lists from the website... How confusing! I don't know from these products what is good for me and what is not in terms of my skin tolerance. - Marylou
Answer
You have to avoid plant and fruit extracts in body products also salicylic acid and aspirin/disprin, which is pure salicylic acid. - Megan
What is the Salicylate Screening Test? - Marylou
Answer
Here is a simple screening test for salicylates. It may screen out some ingredients that are innocent, but definitely will not let any salicylates in. - Char
Ask these Test Questions
(The answer should be "no")
(The answer should be "no")
(The answer should be "yes")
All of the following may contain salicylates so check them carefully
and razor's with the Aloe Vera strips - sometimes blue.
Do I have to be careful when handling fruit & when eating it, i.e. apples. Should I just use a knife and fork. What do you do when choosing your fruit and veges in a store?? Do you wear gloves or ask for help? - Marylou
Answer
Yes, be careful when handling fruit and veges. Especially things like lemons/oranges/garlic and mint etc. Buy some of those food-handling gloves and then you will be safe. The sals can get in through cuts in your hands. Always garden with gloves on too. Fruit with its skin on is usually OK to touch in shops. - Megan
I eat several pieces of fruit a day, as well as raw carrots. - Marylou
Answer
Eating fruit protocol. Avoid walking on grass. Use food-handling gloves when touching fruit and vegetables, just to be on the safe side. It depends on how sensitive you are to Sals, as to how much you will block. When peeling and eating fruits, wash your hands straight away and lick your lips often to get rid of the residue. A lot of fruit is quite low in sals. Lemons and mint are the most powerful. - Megan
I want to make sure that my fruit eating isn't causing me to block. - Marylou
Answer
Do the blocking test if you are really worried. I will send a copy of this e-mail to my friend Nurse Claudia in the States FMSNURSE@aol.com and she hopefully can tell you how to do the test. I know it involves altering your dose for a while, to see what happens with your cycling. She may also be able to give you more advice on the fruit issue. - Megan
I eat several pieces of fruit a day, as well as raw carrots. When I know I'm not blocking I will increase my dose if still no improvement on my thigh. It is so frustrating trying to get everything right and judge when I'm cycling. I will be going for a mapping in the next couple of weeks but I don't expect to see much improvement despite some early signs I had initially of very painful areas changing. Initially after going to 1200mg I was in bed for several days with severe pain in my arms and cheeks so I've kept at that dose, but have had few very bad patches since, and only a couple of good days. - Marylou
Answer
Don't try to go past your cycling dose, as this can make your symptoms unbearable. I've been there and it was terrible. Only now can I tolerate a higher dose of Guai, as I am into my 5th year on the Protocol. - Megan
I have switched over my products and have started the diet. I am slightly hypoglycaemic. Do I have to stick to the diet 100% in order for it to work? To totally give up sugar and caffeine (coffee) seems so hard. Wine is one of my pleasures in life!! What advice can you give me. - Marylou
Answer
You only need to do the diet if you are truly hyperglycaemic (HG). The HG symptoms are listed in Dr. St. Amand's book. If you need the diet it will make your HG symptoms go away and if you cheat they will come back and you will feel bad. It's as simple as that.
You can have artificial sweeteners and decaf coffee. Wine is a no-no at the beginning I think. If I can remember rightly you can have some alcohol later on. I did the diet for nearly a year, but it made no difference to how I felt, which told me I wasn't HG. Only 40% of Fibromyalgics are. - Megan
What hand and body lotion do I use? - Marylou
Answer
The only lotion I use is Alpha Keri Lotion. It is made from Lanolin from sheep's wool. I use it on my face, hands and body. It is marvellous. I also use the Alpha Keri Oil for massage. - Megan
When a product i.e. body cream, reads 'fragrances', is this to be trusted?- Marylou
Char, what are your thoughts on Fragrances, please? I have assumed that they are ok, as they would be in very small quantities. Please advise! It will be a great help to our Guai people. - Megan
Answer from Char
Fragrances are usually ok. The more expensive perfumes (very expensive) use oils and they will most likely block. Fragrances in our products are usually alright. It never hurts to call the companies and ask. But.... if you use perfume, etc. I would advise spraying it on your clothes or a hankie not on your skin. - Megan
What about wearing perfume? - Marylou
Answer from Megan
I am sure real perfume is fine to wear. I will check this out. I don't wear it any more, as I had terrible chemical sensitivities. - Megan
Answer from Char
Claudia states that perfumes are ok. Many members apply the perfume to their hair or clothes. I personally cannot wear perfume due to my chemical sensitivity.
Beware though ~ many body sprays may contain fruit extracts, which are not ok. If one has any doubt after using perfume, etc. for awhile, then one should do the blocking test.
- Char
What lipsticks can I use? - Marylou
Answer from Megan
I have used Max Factor Gold Silks, but they have just been taken off the market. Char, can you help here? What lipstick do you recommend? I have to find something new to use too. - Megan
Answer from Char
I personally use Andrea Rose lipstick and lip-gloss and love them. The lip-gloss has Vitamin E in it. I use and love Curel Fragrance Free Daily Moisture Therapy Lotion. Many folks like and use Jergens Ultra Healing Lotion. It seems to clear up rashes.
Click on this link for a list of lipsticks but always check the ingredients as products can quickly change. Pretty Lips
Click on this link and print it out for Salicylate Free Ingredients and I also print it out and take it with me to the store. Salicylate-free ingredients
Print out this reference Guide as it makes it easier to identify sals. Quick Reference Sal-Free Guide
If all else fails in a sal search then use the Google Search Engine. It is great for determining if an ingredient is a salicylate. Google Search Engine
Following are some lipsticks on our list but...they need to be checked on purchase. I'll send you some more information in another email.
Love,
Char.
GUAIGROUP Admin Team Member
SoCa, FMS since infancy, Guai 300x2 since 7/98
Blocked touching plants, Walking Barefoot on grass, Toothpaste, No HG
Click here to Email Char
Click here to see The Fibromyalgia Treatment Center for more information.
Lipsticks and Lip Balms
Almay Lip and Cheek Blush Limited Edition (6/02)
AM Products Pot Gloss (2/02)
Amway Softsticks for Lips
Andrea Rose Salicylate-Free Lipsticks and Lip-Glosses www.andrearose.com
Ariandra's Emu Lip Balm/Lip Balm V (no animal products)
Ariandra's Lip Gloss http://ariandrasgarden.homestead.com
Arpel Lip Stain (2/02)
Avon Glaze Wear Liquid Lip Color
Avon Truly Translucent Gloss Stick
Avon Sunshades Lip Gloss SPF 18
Banana Republic Classic Bronzing Lotion (5/02)
Barbi Lip Balm
Beaute Benetton Comfort Lipstick
Beauti-Control Color Freeze Lip Liner
Beauti-Control Lip Control Cream
Beauti-Control Lipstick/Lip Conditioner
Blistex Fruit Smoothies SPF 15 (2/02)
Blistex Silk and Shine (3/03)
Berry Company Flavored Lip Gloss
Body & Soul Cosmetics / Face Glow / Lip Liner (2/02) (at Nordstrom's or www.sephora.com)
Bonne Bell Lip D'Votion (4/02)
Bonne Bell Lip Lites Lipstick (not clear)
Bonne Bell Lip Rush
Bonne Bell Smackers Roll-On Shine
Borghese Colore Eternale Long Lasting Lip Lacquer
Bourgois Effect 3D Lipstick (wand) www.sephora.com
CG Smoothers Lip Color
Cargo Color Tube for Lips, Face & Cheeks (2/02)
Cici Lip Liner Pencils
Chanel Glossimer Lipgloss
Chanel Lip Liners
Chanel Blush Levres Lip Blush
Chanel Brilliant Soleil Sheer Brilliance Lipstick SPF 8
Chanel Levres Scintillantes Glassimer (Gloss for lips)
Chantecaille Cream Lipstick www.neimanmarcus.com
Chapstick Flava-Craze Skin Protectant Lip Balm (3/03)
Chapstick Sun Zone 15
Christian Dior Rouge Incorruptible
Clinique Lip Shaping Pencil
Clinique Quick Liner for Lips
Colorette Gal Red Currant Fragranced Lip Balm (2/02)
Cover Girl Lip Gloss
Cover Girl Outlast All Day Lipcolor (3/03)
Coppertone Natural Fruit Flavor Lip Balm with Sunscreen SPF 15 (3/03)
Deluz Beauty Glistener (2/02)
Delux Beauty Lip Gloss (wand, many shades)
Delux Beauty High Gloss
Delux Beauty Gloss-eus
Diane Young Glow Pearlized Lip Gloss (qvc.com) (2/03)
Elizabeth Arden Crystal Clear Gloss
Elizabeth Arden Lip-Fix Cream (8/02
Estee Lauder Automatic Pencil for Lips/Lip Shaper Face Wear Lip Stuff
Estee Lauder Sumptuous Lipstick (fragrance free) (2/02) www.gloss.com
Estee Lauder Go Pout Sheet Lip Glaze (fragrance free) (2/03)
Estee Lauder Lip Stain (2/02)
Exolgo Lipsticks (2/02)
FACE Stockholm Lipgloss Wand
FACE Stockholm Lipgloss Pot
FACE Stockholm Lip Liner Pencil
FACE Stockholm Trinity Eye Lips and Cheeks (2/02)
Fresh Just Up Shine
Fresh Honey Lip Shine
GAP Lip Glosses (5/02)
Giorgio Armani Smooth Lipstick (2/03)
Glistener Pearl Shimmer
Heaven Lip Gloss (2/02)
Hello Kitty Lip Gloss
Hard Candy Lipstick (2/02)
Ice Drop Lip Balm with Sunscreen and Vitamin E (many flavors)
Interface On and On Long Wearing Lip Color www.beauty.com
LA Girl Platinum Collection Lipgloss (3/03)
Lancome Juicy Tubes Lip Gloss (2/03)
Lancome: Lip Brio Lastingly Brilliant Lacquer
Lancome: Rouge Magnetic (tube)
Lancome Rouge Attraction lipstick (4/02)<
Lancome: Sorbet de Lancome
Lancome Sweethearts Lip Palatte Lip Gloss (2/02)
Laura Mercier Lip Gloss
Lip Glosses www.beauty.com
Lip Smacker Roll on Shiner
Lord and Berry Lipstique
Lord and Berry Lip Pencil (kissproof)
Lord and Berry Lipsticks (tubes)
L'Oreal Color Juice Lip Shimmer
L'Oreal Color Juice Lip Gloss
L'Oreal Endless Lipstick (3/03)
L'Oreal HydraSoft Lipstick SPF 12 (5/02)
L'Oreal Rouge Pulpe Lip Color (and Clear)
L'Oreal Sheer Lip Gloss (pot)
L'Oreal So Delice Lip Gloss (tube)
L'Oreal Lip Fit Lip Colour (2/02)
L'Oreal Lip Glosse (wand and pot)
L'Oreal Lip Pencils (2/02)
L'Oreal Glass Shine High Shine Lip Gloss (2/02)
Lucky Chick Luck Lips Shine
MAC Lip Pencils (2/02)
MAC Lip Liner
MAC Matte Creme Matifiante
Madina Milano Satin Lipstick, 200 Series (2/02) www.madina.com
Madina Milano Twinkling Lights Gloss (2/03)
Madina Milano Sheer Delight Lipstick (2/03)
Make Up Forever Rouge Pinceau www.sephora.com
Make Up Forever Professional Super Lip Gloss (tube)
Mary Kay Liner Lip Liner (5/02)
Matrix Lip Gloss
Max Factor Lip Finity (3/03)
Max Factor Lipsilks
Max Factor High Definition Lip Liner
Maybelline Biggie Pot Gloss (2/02)
Maybelline Budge Proof Lip Color
Maybelline Cool Effects Twister (wand) (2/02)
Maybelline Great Lip
Maybelline High Definition Lip Liner and Lipstick Brush (2/02)
Maybelling Gloss Twist (6/02)
Maybelline Jelly Gloss (Lip Gloss) (5/02)
Maybelline Lip Glosse (wand)
Maybelline Lip Polish Hi Shine Lip Color (with glitter) (3/02)
Maybelline Wear N Go Lipstick (2/02)
Maybelline Wet Shine Diamons Liquid Lipgloss (3/03)
Merle Norman Lip Stay-lip Treatment Cream
Merle Norman Moist Lip Color
Merle Norman Definitive Lip Liner
Naturistics Lip Glo (liquid want lip shiner) 3/02)
Oil of Olay Lip Pencils
Olay Total Effects Lip Color (tube)
Origins Lip Gloss
Ornaments Scented Lip Gloss
Paula Begoun Exfoliating Lip Treatment<
Paula Begoun Long-Lasting Lipliner
Paula Dorf Lip Pencil
Peacekeeper Lip Paint (2/03)
Philosophy Hope ina Jar High Density Eye & Lip Contour Cream (2/02)
Physicians Formula Lip Color Corrector
Physicians Formula Lip Spectrum-Kit for Blending Custom Lip Colors
Physicians Formula Total Perfection Long Lasting Lip Color/Lip Definer /Lip Pencil
Pokemon Lip Balm
Pooh Lip Balm
Poole Separates Lip Gloss (7/02) www.sephora.com
Poole Separates Lip Color (8/02)
Prescriptives Lippity Split Lip Lacquer (2/03)
Prescriptives Lip Shine (2/03)
Prescriptives Lip Polish
Prescriptives Lip Laquer (2/02)
Prescriptives Crucial Lipstick
Prestige Waterproof Atomatic Lip Liner
Prestige Waterproof Lipstick liner pencil
Professional MakeUp Co. Lipliner Pencil
Pupa Total Comfort Luminous Lipstick
Pupa Cuore Mini Extrapearl Creamy Lip Gloss (2/02) www.sephora.com
Revlon Brush On Shine Lip Gloss (8/02)
Revlon Color Stay Lip Conditioner SPF 6
Revlon Color Stay Lip Shine
Revlon Line and Shine
Revlon Lip and Cheek Jam (4/02)
Revlon Lip Glace (4/02)
Revlon Lip Glosse (spring colors in a pot) 2/02)
Revlon Lip Gloss and Glitz (12/02)
Revlon Liquid Lip Revlon Street Wear Roll and Shine
Revlon Nordic Skye Lip Gloss
Revlon Shimmer Lights (6/02)
Revlon Skin Lights Glosslights for Lips (2/02)
Revlon So Shiny Lip Pen (8/02)
Revlon Street Wear All Over Pencil (2/02)
Revlon Street Wear Glossin' Glider Lip Pen
Revlon Street Wear Lip Gloss
Rochas Cosmetics Hydra Brilliance Lipstick (in a tube)
Rochas Fou Rire Flamboyant Lipstick (in a tube)
Rochas Powder Lipstick
Sally Hansen Daily Lip Moisturizer (tube of gloss) (8/02)
Sally Hansen Lip Grip Plumper (8/02)
Sally Hansen Daily Lip Treats (a palette of 10 different lipsticks) (8/02)
Sally Hansen Soothing Lip Balm Lip Quencher (8/02)
Sally Hansen Lipcolor Sealer (8/02)
Savy Infinity Lip Color (2/03)
SeneGence Moisturizing Gloss (2/02)
Sephora Artist Line Matte Lipstick www.sephora.com
Shiseido The Make Up Matte Lipstick (2/03)
Shiseido The Make Up Sheer Gloss Lipstick (2/03)
Shiseido The Make Up Staying Power Moisturizing Lipstick (2/03)
Shisedo Everstaying Lipstick
Shu Uemura Lip Gloss
Shu Uemura MakeUp Lip Liner Pencil
Sinful Colors Lip Gloss (wand and pot) (2/02)
Sonia Kashuk Luxury Lip Color (tube)
Stila Lip Rouge Pen (3/02) www.gloss.com
Total Comfort Matte Lipstick
Traffic Jam Lip Gloss SPF 18 (2/02)
Ultima II Lip GloSSSy (tube and wand types)/Wonderwear Lip SeXXXy/Lip EXXy Lipliner
Ultima II Lipline/The Base For Lips
Urban Decay Lip Gunk
Velvet Goldmine Collection Lip Crème
Versace Comfort Lip Pencil
Versace Lipstick
Watosa Cosmetics Lip Chu
Wet and Wild Mega Twist Glitter Stick
Xtreme Colors Flavored Lip Sheers (2/02)
Yves St. Laurent Rouge Vibration Lipstick SPF 10
I've been on Guai for nine months and still have not noticed any big changes (my left thigh is only just starting to break up), but I know that it is doing something because when I took a two-week break from it I felt awful, everything ached. - Marylou
Answer
Don't worry about the left thigh thing. As long as there are areas of improvement on your map, that is all that matters. I reversed quite differently to the norm, and had a hell of a time, as I was clearing muscles and tendons at the same time - Very painful! We are supposed to clear muscles first then tendons. Not me, I was a fast responder.
